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[Russel]

Israel is facing pressure to do something about Iran.
Many are speculating that Israel may well consider some action against Iran before the end of January 2009.
If so,Turkish air space will need to be used.
Should Turkey stand by Israel and allow it's air space to be used or not?

[Jaff Sassani]

Nothing is free. If Turkey and Israel has strategical deals then they will cooperate with each other to protect the security and well being of each other.
Israel and Jewish lobbies in the USA and Europe has been fighting for the interest of Turkey for ever against the interest of the Armenian, Greek, Kurds and other nations, got hurt by Turkey in the region. It is now time for Turkey to pay back for Jewish people service to them Turks.
The Turks and Turkey want to have it both ways. They want to be friend with Iran, Arabs and in the same time with Israel too. The Islamic Government of Turkey wants to solve the standing problem between Iran and the Israeli (They are fight for their own existence) diplomatically. The American and Europe used the same method to stay in business with both Arabs and Jewish under the name of political solution.
The Turks does not have such leverage to play with both party even the Europeans and American does not have such leverage with Iran.
Iran Shitte Sayyed family of the Arab origin rulers want to develop the Atomic Bomb for Islamic Shitte. The Atomic Bomb is for the family service to take control of the Middle East and Islamic world so the Family stays as holly leaders by force. The Arab Sayyed family of Islam they have that desire since the establishment of the Islamic religion by Prophet Mohammed and his son in law Ali the sworn enemy of the Jewish people from the day one in Medina Saudi Arabia.
The Islamic Government of Turkey does not want to be partner of Israel at all. But the Military of Turkey want to help Israel for their own existence. It is very hard decision for Turkey to make.
The decision for Turkey to be partner of Israel in the war against Iran will be under the question mark for time to come. It is showing the relationship between both nations. The Israeli and the Jewish did their part by standing against many nations for the friendship of Turkey now it is Turkey time to show how much they value the friendship of Jewish and Israel.

[Russel]

in many ways i agree,though last time i looked,the Greek-Israeli relationship is very strong,possibly stronger than you may think.
since i am in the process of joining the Greece Friends of Israel,i can honestly say,the relationship is blossoming.
it is vital that Israel be supported.
i think Turkey should support Israel,not for any ulterior reasons,as you have raised ,but because it is the correct decision to make.
the middle east without Israel,is a region meant for destruction.

the whole reason why Turkey has in many ways received support from the West has been to support Israel through difficult times.
how many times has the West bakrolled Turkey?
it may have to do bank roll her this time as well.
unable to provide this small favour,after so much support over the years,calls the whole relationship into question.
and that is not a very wise move now is it?

[ned1975]

Russel

What do you think will happen if TC chose not to?

Do you think the 'bankrolling' will cease?

[Russel]

Ned,i think it will.
but i also feel that Turkey has many other options other than merely being bankrolled by the ~West.

it currently is facing difficulties with countries such as Greece over Cyprus,Aegean,human rights,Armenian genocide etc.
by being embroiled in these disputes with neighbours,it misses out on opportunities.
imagine of Turkey ceased having conflicts over these petit issues,made friends with neighbours,and engaged Middle Eastern Muslim countries.
the bank rolling may stop,which would be a problem for corrupt Army generals,but would be an asset for the country and it's future.
unlike many of my countrymen,who view Turkey suspiciously because of the usual conflicting issues,i view Turkey as a major asset for the region.
it can embrace Middle Eastern countries and suggest that moderate Islam can work,it can be a bridge between East and West economically and politically.
to do this it may mean an end to the cosy relationship with Israel,but,maybe that is the way forward.
so,by turning it's back on the American divide and rule approach in the region,it can embrace it's neighbours,and make itself a leader with the Middle East Muslim world,and create a bridge with Europe.under such circumstances Europe will eventually be begging for Turkey to join,as oppossed to the current arrangement.

[ned1975]

Russel

I agree with you that TC has other very viable options other than the west. And it is a vital mistake not to have explored these avenues.

There is train of thought starting to emerge amongst Turks that was never prevalent in previous years regarding Cyprus. The thought is....TRNC is a done deal (pending TC soldiers withdrawal). The Aegean is not a huge issue for Turks until the jets get all excited and some other greek or turk fisherman goes for a stroll on that irrelevant island (kardak)the size of a football pitch full of boulders. I personally think the Aegean is pretty damn close to heaven on earth and would rather enjoy the place with everyone else who loves it be it turk or greek. Human rights & the Armenian business...no comment.

The truth is TC is in a state of confusion. It's been stuck in an identity crisis, probably since its formation. There is a major division between heart & mind. East or west, east or west etc etc. The West doesn want them, and deep down the feeling is mutual. The ME is even less desireable than the West, despite the obvious connections. I think her place is to the East! Like not ME, but due east.

TC is so embroiled in trivial stuff as you stated it is constantly missing out on amazing opportunities to excel. TC is unaware of the magnitude of its geographical importance and the role that is awaiting her for a prosporous region & world.

I think I found the recipe for an atomic bomb on wikipedia..should I trust it?

Oh yeh, the corrupt generals must go, period!!
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[Berny]

I dont think the TRNC is a done deal. Talks go on ad nauseam but nothing ever sems to change apart from the easier movement of people between north and south.Otherwise it is deadlocked over land rights and compensation